Cancer has taken the lives of every person who has died in my family. One Day I will likely face this ugly disease. I’ve lost both grandmothers, my grandfather, my only aunt and my brother is currently in remission from cancer.
This poses a big question to believers in God. Did God create cancer? Did Satan create cancer? Is it part of God’s plan? If you have cancer and turn to Jesus, will he heal you?
This prophet on a street corner has all of the answers:
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Tags: Bible, Cancer, Creation, Cure, Death, Disease, God, Heal, Healing, Heaven, Jesus, Satan, Suffering, Video
June 13, 2009 at 9:36 am |
I liked how when he asked about the not giving cancer to people. I think the guy was completely confused because he had never thought about these types of questions. This is what comes from people being told not to question things they are taught about their beliefs.
June 13, 2009 at 10:22 am |
If I have a child, and he grows up and kills someone, am I responsible for this? God created us with potential for evil, and is no more responsible than I am for my son’s sin.
Cancer is merely part of the consequences of sin entering the world. “Turn to Jesus” and he may heal your body, or he may not. Shadrach and his two buddies got thrown into the furnance and didn’t say God will heal us. But God may…
June 13, 2009 at 10:35 am |
Not unless you knowingly allowed the criminal accomplice in the murder (the devil) to conspire with your child. And you had the ultimate power to stop the murder but allowed it to happen anyway. Then you would most certainly be responsible.
That is a much more accurate analogy.
Christian theology says “turn to Jesus” and he may heal you if he decides you’re important enough to heal. I say turn to good medical care and you will survive if you’re lucky.
June 13, 2009 at 10:47 am |
You beat me to it and said it better then I would have.
June 13, 2009 at 11:24 am |
I don’t think Christian theology says that at all. you are looking at healing in a superficial way. Healing has more to do with the soul than the body. We are expected to allow God to work through people and that means proper medical care. Jesus heals the soul and brings peace to the heart. And actually, that usually helps in the physical healing as well.
June 13, 2009 at 11:58 am
Sherry,
I stand corrected, I did not mean to imply a pure faith scenario that cuts doctors out of the picture.
June 13, 2009 at 12:54 pm
We are expected to allow God to work through people and that means proper medical care.
Well, no. The New Testament clearly tells us that Jesus and his disciples could magically heal people. Therefore “proper” medical care ought to be unnecessary.
June 13, 2009 at 11:54 am |
This is where free will comes in; I should have been specific: “If I have a child…and grant him free will.” If I intervene, then free will is taken away. God gave us free will, along with existence.
June 13, 2009 at 12:43 pm
It is so loving of God to grant people the free will to murder an innocent person.
June 13, 2009 at 2:49 pm
BEattitude:
Why don’t you turn on moderation, so that we cannot reply without your approval? This way you could guarantee nothing “evil” ever happened.
If you only allowed the “good” posts, and deleted the “bad” ones, it wouldn’t be free, would it? You run the risk that someone will say something terrible to someone who isn’t even involved in the debate.
June 13, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I’ve always found that free will argument a bit weird.
The entire purpose of God giving us free will in the first place was to…well…give us a happier life, isn’t it? I trust that he didn’t do it cause he was bored?
Well, now, let’s take a look at this grand plan for human happiness.
According to Christians, God is the supreme deity with a lot of “omni”s to his name. Again according to Christians, we, humans, are his creation with little to our name, much weaker and “less perfect” than our Creator. (Duh!)
Surely a God that is omnipotent and omniscience and of perfect benevolence and just PERFECT would be able to make better decisions to ensure our continual happiness than ourselves? We, humans, are far from perfect and make mistakes quite frequently. Why didn’t God just take matters into his own hands if the ultimate goal of this plan of his simply to grant us happiness?
If God is of perfect benevolence, he would have WANTED us to get to heaven after we die. He would surely do anything in his power to grant us the maximum happiness possible at any time. If by following the instructions of God, we would be at the very top of all things, then free will becomes unnecessary and even harmful.
Hence, Following God > Free will.
Dude, if there really was a God and he’s that all-capable type that you’re describing, then I seriously would prefer to give up free will and just do as he says, provided that he REALLY loves us and is REALLY omniscience. Cause, think about it, he’ll would have known what would give us happiness and guide us to get it.
June 13, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Butterfly:
1st. God did not create us to make us happy.
2nd. I can take away your free will if you’d like and ensure nothing bad ever happens to you. I’m going take out your brain and replace it with a speaker that continually says, “I love you…I’m so happy”.
Still sound like a good idea?
June 13, 2009 at 5:12 pm
You said god didn’t create us to be happy. Why did he create us?
June 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Freeware Gospel, are you really likening murder to comments on an internet site?
The point is that TheBEattitude is welcoming differing opinions, the disagreement is welcome.
Your analogy is to say that murder and rape and violence is something that God welcomes into His world.
June 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
If I have a child, and he grows up and kills someone, am I responsible for this?
Do you claim to be omniscient and omnipotent? Because when you have absolute control of a situation, it is really shameful to ride the blame on your lesser subordinates.
June 13, 2009 at 8:55 pm |
You know you are going in the right direction, but you are still off-base. GOD did NOT create humankind with the potential for evil!!! If you would remember, Adam and Eve were tricked into eating from the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. So, our god-parents (Adam & Eve) chose to accept the consciousness of evil, and to bring evil into life on planet earth. When Adam and Eve brought the consciousness of evil into their mind and body, they also brought the death of evil, and evil’s manner of misery, suffering, and death, into their life, and in all life that they gave birth to. What do you think that “Redemption” is all about, and what do you think “Re-Born” is all about?
June 14, 2009 at 9:54 am |
Ummmm, except that God supposedly put the tree there in the first place and gave Adam and Eve a choice about whether or not to eat from it. So you are WRONG. God did make people with the capacity for evil because he have them free will from the beginning… that is if you actually believe the Garden of Eden myth.
June 26, 2009 at 10:56 pm |
OK, so lets say that you’re an all powerful aweswome loving being, knowing all things past present and future. You create your first 2 human children, giving them free reign over this paradise you created for them, telling them to eat whatever they want, play with the animals, multiply and fill the earth etc etc…
You know that they respect and love you as any child should love their father/mother… yet they don’t know of good and evil. You DONT want them to know about good and evil, so of course, you put a tree in the middle of the garden and tell them that the fruit of that tree will give them the knowledge of good and evil, the very knowledge that you don’t want them to have. You then make that fruit look incredibly delicious, and forbid them from eating of that fruit…
If you’ve had any experience with kids, you’d know that as soon as you put something enticing in front of children and tell them not to touch it, then turn your back… the first thing they are going to do is touch it, its curiosity, its the way we’re wired right?
SO by putting the tree in the garden in the first place, knowing full well that adam and eve would eat from it, (this is not an issue of free will), God sentenced us to our own doom, its like giving children poisoned candy.
Not to mention the Serpent… who was he? how did he get there? Did God put him there and make him evil? Why would God allow him to corrupt his children? I wouldn’t leave my kids alone at a park with strange seedy snake men walking around trying to abduct them and give them presents. Talk about a terrible parent.
Of course this is just a myth, but a lot of smart people seem to believe it anyway. If it is true, dont you think this God fellow has some explaining to do?
June 13, 2009 at 10:31 am |
An eternal question. Why do God allows bad things to happen? not only cancer, all bad things…
I do not have an answer, but I have read different ones:
- To prove your faith.
- To make you stronger.
- Are the consequences of freedom.
- It’s the consequence of sin.
What do you think? Is it evil somthing created or something that men and women has develop later? is cancer something evil, bad? or it’s just an illness? is death something bad?
June 13, 2009 at 10:45 am |
Yes, death is bad. Especially when it is preceded by months of pain and suffering from a horrible disease. And yes, cancer is just an illness.
- It proves nothing.
- It certainly doesn’t make you stronger.
- Bad things are not a consequence of freedom.
- If cancer is a result of “sin” then you must believe God created cancer.
June 13, 2009 at 2:20 pm |
I respect that you think that death is bad. But I do not agree with you. Death has no moral connotation, death, cancer, the flu are not human actions, aren’t moral, not bad nor good. At least is how I see it.
I do not think cancer cames from sin, I do not know the bible as good as you do, i was told that sin cames from our freedom of not choosing God, what I don’t see is how you relate that with suffering. For me, religion helps you to give some sort of sense to suffering, not to explain it source, which is science business…
Bad things can be consequence of freedom as murder.
June 13, 2009 at 8:48 pm |
“Yes, death is bad.”
This is from an experience point-of-view. I have been present at the death of several people as a health-care worker. Your view of death as bad I would consider incorrect from my experiences with others. In addition I have a close friend who has died on three different occasions. She remembers what it was like after death and it was not a “bad” experience. It was actually quite beautiful.
How can something so intrinsic to the nature of man be “bad”. It is a modern Western view and idea that most likely has no linguistic equivalent to Jesus’ Eastern native tongue. Please note that much of the poetic verse and the very nature of the texts has been disfigured and possibly removed from all the existent translations of the bible. Not to mention that no work or translation or bible exists from Jesus’ mother-tongue.
I believe anyone living with, suffering from, dying from a severe medical condition would argue against “it does not make you stronger.” However there are two sides and some people do not feel like the become stronger granted.
My experience has been that people endure and thrive beyond what would make sense naturally. Generally speaking people who suffer from a grave medical condition handle it better than their families and loved ones and some do derive a sense of becoming stronger. What happens to families of ill persons could describe where your speaking from when you say that one does not become stronger. You’re on the outside looking in. You cannot see the forest for the trees as they say.
If you are arguing from the biblical perspective all of the philosophical arguments and reasoning you are using are actually derived from non-biblical sources, philosophers, scholars and ancient societies. We of course are not the first people to question these things.
I would personally call into doubt any and all “information” that has been passed down only ONE line, that being a patriarchal system like that of our modern and ancient eras, which is what the supposed one and only true bible is a derivative of. It’s only half the story. Thankfully there are context clues within the existent literature that point to what has been forgotten or lost over the ages.
Genesis 26 NIV “…and let THEM rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air…”
Genesis 27 NIV “…male and female he created THEM.”
If you read the full passage of Genesis 26 & 27 as it exists it still becomes even clearer.
Of course the bible wouldn’t make sense if in the beginning God created only men.
June 13, 2009 at 10:59 am |
All you do by saying these 4 things is lay the blame on man not the one who christians claim did it, the way I see it anyway.
What is sin? Sin is anything a person wants it to be. I could claim commenting on blogs are a sin. This all comes down to what someone wants the truth to be not so much what it is.
You can say the same thing about evil. It all depends on what you believe and what you want the truth to be. Did the Nazi leadership think they were doing evil? From what I know of them, most felt they were doing what they were suppose to be for their beliefs. Some were in it for the power and others things.
These last two statements are aimed at people of religion who might get cancer.
How does getting cancer prove your faith if by your actions before you got it haven’t?
Again if you aren’t strong enough before getting cancer what is the point of believing then?
June 13, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
Sin is anything that harms relationships.
June 13, 2009 at 12:27 pm
So basically anything at all is sin. Love can hurt relationships.
June 13, 2009 at 7:29 pm
This is the great insight of Christianity – ware in bondage to sin and cannot free ourselves.
June 13, 2009 at 11:17 am |
Wouldn’t it be easier if we could blame all of the world’s problems on some guy up in heaven and another guy down in hell?
Cancer is an equal opportunity killer, I have even seen innocent babies die from it. And plenty of God-fearing Christians have met the same fate. Even animals get cancer.
Maybe Lucifer gives dogs and cats cancer, or maybe its the luck of the draw.
June 13, 2009 at 11:20 am |
Man, if I believed the things you do about Christianity and God BEattitude, I’d be an atheist too! Why would you ever conclude that God creates cancer and that it is his plan? I’m way confused about where you come by this way of thinking of God.
If somewhere else on your blog you discuss the type of Christianity you practiced and the type of learning you had regarding faith, I’d be happy to go and read it. Otherwise, can you enlighten me and the rest of us a bit?
June 13, 2009 at 11:33 am |
Sherry you make a good point. What is your background? I have to say a lot of what BEattitude fits with some of the chrisitians I know here where I live.
June 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm |
Fair enough. I am nearly 60. Just for the perspective. I was atheist/agnostic for most of my life. Read the bible once, thought it was filled with a violent, mean God, silly stories that didn’t comport with reason and science. Was told it was true, so for me it was not. I thought science had the answers to all the big questions.
Have a personal mini revelation that at least I might be looking at it wrong. Sought out my chosen faith, Roman Cathlicism. Found out that they don’t take the bible as literal fact, but as inspired. Converted happily, nearly became a nun.
Didn’t, married, became to have my liberal tendencies return to the fore, and found myself doctrinally at odds with the Roman CC. Finally left and joined the Episcopal church where I have found a true home. We are quite liberal, favor gay rights, women’s ordination, (both of our priests today are women), etc. We are deeply service oriented and we take seriously our obligation to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit the prisoner, heal the sick. We have about 60 some ministries and a lot of great people who are working in the community at all these things.
The bible is a source of help. A tool. It describes how people for 3000 viewed and interacted with God. It is not a textbook. God did not write it, nor tell others to. Some things in it are wrong, plain and simple. We learn more about the standards and methods for solving problems in a just and equitable way than direct answers. Jesus came to reform Judaism by explaining to folks that God wants our friendship and we are to treat each other with love and respect. The Kingdom is here and now, and it’s up to us to make it. God doesn’t control things, that’s part of the deal. He works through his willing creation to better the world. This paragraph doesn’t necessarily reflect TEC, but I certainly feel free to espouse it and believe it and be in good communion with my church.
June 13, 2009 at 11:34 am |
Correction on last comment was suppose to say what BEattitude says fits.
June 13, 2009 at 12:49 pm |
This has nothing to do with what version of Christianity I practiced. But in case you were wondering I was a member of the ELCA Lutheran church.
This isn’t about versions of theology, only honest questions any Christian asks.
You can blame the devil for the evil and suffering of the world, but that doesn’t make your god an innocent bystander. If you believe he created all things, he is responsible for all things including all of the horrible diseases of the world.
June 15, 2009 at 3:34 pm |
Oh i beg to differ. Different faiths have different theological bents. Fundamentalists are hugely different than liberal faith traditions. Your remarks sound like very fundamentalist definitions. That was the only reason I asked. I guess knowing your Lutheran oesn’t much help. I know about 4 and they are all liberal…lol…
As I said, I don’t blame the devil because I don’t believe in a devil. That makes God a rather strange creator it would seem to me. God doesn’t create disease, since we know what does that—genetic mishaps.
If the rules are that God cannot intervene on behalf of anyone, because it would violate someone’s right to free choice, then you can’t blame God. You see I see God as the spirit within each of us. He sits patiently and quietly, experienceing life through us. When we allow our egos to step aside, God is allowed by us to work through us. What good I do is God, what bad I do, that’s me.
I guess my question is, if faith and God mean nothing to you, why do you devote a rather large portion of your time to discussing it?
June 15, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I think you are reading into what is talked about on most atheist websites. I don’t think most atheist have a bit of a problem with your version of christianity. You said it yourself, you don’t believe the bible is literal. It is just stories to you about what people believe about their god. Most of the atheist I have read are only concerned with the more extreme versions of chrisitanity.
I am a little confused by some of the stuff you have said but then again I can’t say I know any liberal christians. I think that is a big problem within both the christian community and the atheist community. There are so many different views on both sides, you can’t be sure what someone believes from what little is known of each other.
June 13, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
RE free will:
Do Tasmanian Devils have free will? Because they get cancer too.
June 13, 2009 at 7:04 pm |
No, they are all under the control of the Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster!
RAmen!
June 13, 2009 at 1:31 pm |
John Piper, one of the most respected pastors in America, definitely thinks so:
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TasteAndSee/ByDate/2006/1776_Dont_Waste_Your_Cancer/
June 13, 2009 at 2:07 pm |
I’ve watched family members, friends, friends of friends struggle with, and sometimes die of cancer. I’ve known people from all backgrounds who have had it. I’ve seen Christians who prayed, passionately and with all of their energy, for healing, who didn’t get it. I’ve seen non-believers who did nothing except study, research and find a good doctor who were cured.
The thing is… this fear of death, getting a disease, etc. will keep some people believing, just. in. case. Just in case they may be spared because they have faith and believe. But then some of us let go of that fear, because we’ve seen that cancer and other diseases are not partial to a religious belief. They attack whomever they can, whenever they can. Period.
If you’ve never experienced the pain of watching someone who has cancer go through all that it takes to beat it (or not beat it)… then you can’t possibly understand how un-merciful it is.
Please, someone enlighten me… exactly how much faith must one have to get God to cure it? Because I’ve seen some pretty devout Christians be destroyed by it… even after survival. So please… do tell the secret. For I saw people with faith much larger than a mustard seed who went through torture for months and years, only to die. What the hell is the point of that?
June 13, 2009 at 8:32 pm |
You know, everything you believe about GOD and religion is upside down and backwards, and that is why So-Called true believers, who have So-Called true faith die as miserbly as an animal. Here’s a clue to the answer you seek, its in the 10 Commandments:
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Thou shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of “ANYTHING” that is in heaven above or that is in earth beneath, or that is in the water underneath the earth. You shall not bow down yourself to the graven image, nor serve the graven image, for I the LORD Your GOD, am a jealous GOD, and I will visit the iniquity of the father upon the children, and unto the third and fourth generation of those that hate me; and, I will show mercy unto the thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
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Note: GOD said thousands not billions!!!
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Now go into any modern day church, and what do you see? I’ll tell you what I see, and I see graven images everywhere. So what is the fate of the priest and the congregation that places graven images between themselves and GOD??? (A BARRIER) This commandment is not going to be repeated, there are only consequences for failing to obey. One thing is for sure, GOD will condemn that false priest, who is misguiding the congregation, worse that he will the congregation who follow that priest; because, the 10 Commandments have been in front of your eyes during your entire life, but you blind yourself to reality, and then you dare to claim you don’t know the answer.
June 14, 2009 at 12:42 am |
Your post only proves the hypocrisy of God… he is a jealous God, and yet, Paul writes pretty clearly that jealousy is a sin and will keep one from entering heaven.
So, is jealousy okay, or not okay? Am I to ignore the fact that it is okay for God to be jealous… but not okay for me to be jealous?
Please… enlighten me.
June 15, 2009 at 3:40 pm |
I don’t believe God is in the business of curing people. That’s not part of the deal. I do believe that God works through doctors and other caregivers and sometimes they can do things that seem miraculous. But disease is simply a genetic mutation. In time, no doubt our science will have an answer and such things will not burden us.
It is a horrid thing for someone to suggest that with more or better faith, cure can be acquired. This makes illness sinful, and it is most surely is not, and places a horrid guilt upon the victim which is not acceptable.
June 13, 2009 at 3:27 pm |
I myself am not a believer, as I find religion to be humankind’s way of finding answers to the things we yet do not have the answers for. But isn’t that ok? Isn’t it ok to have innocent beliefs that in most cases make people more altruistic? Admittedly when it goes bad, it goes really bad, but still, it’s a little unfair to box all christians as the same.
I’m not American so I don’t know what foothold “god” has there, but in Sweden, the majority of people are atheists, sceptics, agnostic, infidels and whatever other descriptions there are, even if it’s a christian country at it’s core. From my experience most people are open and understanding of the fact that there are people of different faith, even if that means no faith at all. The ones doing the damage are the ones that think they’ve found the one “true” truth, when there is none. This applies to both people of faith and of no faith at all.
I don’t believe in “god” but if there was one, I’d like to think that earth was the testing ground between heaven and hell to see what kind of person you are. Which means that bad stuff needs to happen; otherwise we don’t grow as people.
My problem is with rather with religions. The bible is made by men who’ve decided what collection of stories should be viewed by the people as “gods word” while dismissing others. Anyone for example know about the story of Lilith, the woman that came before Eve? Also, why should I go to hell for being a non-believer even if I’ve led good and true life, whilst a gangster who’s made sure to go to communion and asked for forgiveness goes to heaven?
I don’t believe faith in itself to be wrong; it’s the people that tell others how that faith should take form, that are what’s wrong with faith.
I love BEattitude, I love the way you write and the reflections you give, I just hope you don’t turn from one polar (blind christian devotion) only to bitterly follow the opposing polar (blind anti-christianity).
Thank you for sharing a period I’ve understood to be quite hard for you.
June 13, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
“Isn’t it ok to have innocent beliefs that in most cases make people more altruistic?”
It’s a nice thought, except here in America… the Christian Right-Wing wants to tell everyone to live as they do. In fact, they go so far as to try and make laws that support this. In fact, they have gotten some laws through. In California, they actually got an amendment… ADDED TO THE CONSTITUTION that prohibits gay couples to marry (i.e. takes rights AWAY from people!).
If the Christian Church stayed out of people’s personal business, and stopped trying to have our country run by the church (and telling the lie that this country was founded by Christians who wanted it lead by Christian principles)… well, I think you get my point.
Here in the US, it’s a much larger issue…
June 13, 2009 at 7:01 pm |
Hey FreewareGospel!
1. I’m interested to know why God created us then…Was he just bored?
2. So long as I’m HAPPY, then yes, I’ll take that; provided that it is TRUE HAPPINESS. That’s no challenge to God I’m sure?
The odd thing about this “free will” plan of God is that it apparently isn’t working. If Christianity really was true, then about 70% of this world’s human population would be going to hell. Nice success rate here, mate.
An omnipotent, omniscience God? Doesn’t sound like it.
June 14, 2009 at 10:06 am |
Butterfly-
1. You were created us worship and proclaim Him (Lk. 19:40).
To put another way: You were created to be Holy, not happy. Did Christ say, “Be happy, as I am happy”. No, it was “Holy”. Jesus was poor, beaten, and eventually killed. If he was to be an example, and happiness is what that is, than that’s a pretty poor example.
2. How would you even know what true happiness is unless you had a comparison? Ask a fish to explain water…
June 14, 2009 at 11:56 am |
Damn for a perfect being your god sure needs a lot. Why does a perfect being need anything? Why didn’t he create man like he created angels? Were they a mistake? I think you aren’t really answering the question as much as you are telling people what you have been told. Was Jesus really the messiah as you believe? I saw an interesting blog this morning at Debunking Christianity about that.
June 14, 2009 at 1:25 pm
God doesn’t “need” anything, that would imply imperfection and logically contradict what it takes to be perfect.
June 14, 2009 at 2:15 pm |
If we were created to worship god and proclaim him. Why? You say he is perfect, to say he created us so we could worship him implies he needs worshipers.
June 14, 2009 at 7:14 pm |
Hi, FreewareGospel!
1. That just says so much about your God’s self-esteem…
2. Cause I trust that your God is nice enough NOT to trick me and give me “fake” happiness? Is that too much to ask of an omnipotent and omniscience being of perfect benevolence?
3. I’m gonna repeat this here since you seem to be ignoring it. —
The odd thing about this “free will” plan of God is that it apparently isn’t working. If Christianity really was true, then about 70% of this world’s human population would be going to hell. Nice success rate here.
No offense here FreewareGospel, but you’re doing a really bad job at selling this omnipotent and omniscience idea of yours here…
June 18, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Butterfly,
I just thought I would add some thought to this discussion, not that its right or wrong, maybe some thought to contemplate or something.
First of all we must keep in mind that God cannot be explained to our liking, our attempts to explain him in a humanistic manner distort the reality, to put him in a box, to strip Him of what He actually is. This brings him down to humans level, i guess is fine when your arguing “flaws” that he seems to have but they are only flaws in respect to your expectations not to the actual Absolute.
Your argument is that He is not perfect, but who are you or anyone else to say that he is not unless you have cleared your own transiency from your being? I’m in no place to say it either. =]
as to your number 2. You have not been tricked by anyone but yourself, however, it is not your fault, you are unaware of your own trickery. That body was programmed with concepts, beliefs, etc, from society to believe a certain way, ways in which are not even your own. Just take a look at how you feel right now while reading this and decide who is actually feeling this; is it your mom? your dad? the schools views? Become aware of that, and that you are not those teachings. Also the distinction between human happiness and actual Happiness is distorted. Our happiness is based off of the fact that someone else has to perform the way we expect them to, to our image of them and when they do not, we withhold our own happiness. This seems selfish doesn’t it, even to ourselves… This isn’t God withold, it is you withholding from yourself because the ego seeks that satisfaction, it is not in line with your True Nature or the Absolute.
Free Will also, is a human made label, our version of free will is not so clear, but this comes from lack of understanding on our part (mine included). We are so caught up in gaining more intelligence that we are enclosing ourselves in a cell that will not set us free. First you must know what you are not, to know what you are.
You are like the tree in many ways, as Everything was created out of Unconditional Love. For the sole purpose of overflowing love humanity was created. But even this is a distortion or a fraction of the truth. If you really want to know inquire about who you are, Im only a doppelganger of the truth, do not blindly believe me, seek it earnestly yourself.
Naturally you know what you are, but its not like one would say, “I am this.” this again is playing with labels, kindergarden stuff, It is like the tree, it does not proclaim what it is, it just merely is what it is, and does its job damn good.
I wish i could help more but there is only so much ignorance that i could say before its better for you to just seek it yourself.
We are all a part of the Absolute, we all reside within Him, We are not many but we appear to be many, the energy isn’t separate, so why do people automatically assume that they are separate?
Btw thanks for bringing that up though, Its really appreciated, if you want to talk, just let me know, i would be happy to! <3
June 13, 2009 at 8:01 pm |
Did Satan create cancer? YES! Is cancer part of GOD’s Plan? NO!
If you develop cancer, and turn to (Jesus) will he help you? That depends on you, and your identity of who (Jesus) truly is; however, since you have no faith or belief, I doubt that you can discover that your own body has the secret to curing cancer, that you must cure your own cancer, and that your rebellion against GOD is the reason you cannot find your own cure.
June 13, 2009 at 8:05 pm |
So the devil isn’t required to follow gods plan? Why do so many christians die from cancer?
June 13, 2009 at 8:37 pm |
You know, everything you believe about GOD and religion is upside down and backwards, and that is why So-Called true believers, who have So-Called true faith die as miserbly as an animal. Here’s a clue to the answer you seek, its in the 10 Commandments:
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Thou shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of “ANYTHING” that is in heaven above or that is in earth beneath, or that is in the water underneath the earth. You shall not bow down yourself to the graven image, nor serve the graven image, for I the LORD Your GOD, am a jealous GOD, and I will visit the iniquity of the father upon the children, and unto the third and fourth generation of those that hate me; and, I will show mercy unto the thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
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Note: GOD said thousands not billions!!!
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Now go into any modern day church, and what do you see? I’ll tell you what I see, and I see graven images everywhere. So what is the fate of the priest and the congregation that places graven images between themselves and GOD??? (A BARRIER) This commandment is not going to be repeated, there are only consequences for failing to obey. One thing is for sure, GOD will condemn that false priest, who is misguiding the congregation, worse that he will the congregation who follow that priest; because, the 10 Commandments have been in front of your eyes during your entire life, but you blind yourself to reality, and then you dare to claim you don’t know the answer.
June 13, 2009 at 8:58 pm
So you’re infinitely wise and know everything?
Since you are so sure of “your identity of who (Jesus) truly is”, you won’t ever have to worry about getting any deadly diseases. Jesus will surely teach you the secret of curing your own cancer. Let me know how that works out for you.
June 14, 2009 at 1:41 am
*Facepalm*
Give me a call when you get into Med School, boy…
June 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm
That didn’t explain anything but that you try to avoid questions. Is the devil doing gods will?
June 13, 2009 at 8:38 pm |
Don’t be stupid. Cancer is a result of genetic damage to the genes that regulate cell cycle control. Cells go through growth and division as a normal process, but if the genes that control this are damaged (a random process), then cells continue to grow and divide uncontrolled. Satan my butt.
June 13, 2009 at 8:49 pm |
My Grandad died of brain cancer in 1981. People are still talking today about what a good man he was. He was a christian and he believed in the equality and dignity of all people. He was a civil rights supporter for black people when many of his contemporaries weren’t. He was a gentle spirit who truly never had a bad word to say about anyone. So don’t sit there and tell me that this wonderful man had some kind of “satan-induced” infliction. Yes, it is sad that he faced this and lost his life, but his life was an example of goodness to others, and his disease was one based in unfortunate genetics– not in sin. Period.
June 13, 2009 at 9:05 pm |
Go ahead, blind yourself to reality, just like Adam and Eve, you have complete freedom of discretion, and you are free to choose your own detriment. Just remember this, every time you eat something, your own body produces malignant cancer cells during the process of digestion. The rest I won’t tell you because you are unworthy of the cure. Bye, Bye.
June 13, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Oh, ok– so suddenly you’re an expert on cancer? Do you have any evidence for the claim you just made? Hmmmm.. lemme guess… nope!
You are an insidious individual with you’re vicious attitude toward your fellow man. In fact, I dare say that hell is here and now in your life, and you are living it with your everyday hatred. How pathetic.
June 13, 2009 at 9:10 pm
D’oh! Grammar fail x2! You’re should be your. It’s so hard to be a badass when you don’t preview your posts!!!
June 13, 2009 at 9:16 pm
jjoshuajj21-
It deeply scares me that there are actually people like you so insanely warped by religion. You see the story of Adam and Eve as a true example of being blind to reality? Wow.
I pity anyone who is forced to spend time in your delusional presence. You are unworthy of my time. Bye, bye.
June 13, 2009 at 9:24 pm
You go, Be-attitude!!!
June 13, 2009 at 9:13 pm |
theBeattitude: the worst thing for me to do is to try to help someone out of their own darkness. So, I try to see if anyone is worthy of the knowledge, before I deliver it in vain. So far, all I get is disdain. I’ll be on my way;but remember, don’t say the opportunity failed present itself to you.
June 13, 2009 at 9:15 pm |
you are enormously arrogant, you ignorant fool. I seriously doubt you have *any* “knowledge” worth passing on.
June 13, 2009 at 9:21 pm |
You helped prove my point. You’re not exactly painting a pretty picture of what it means to be a Christian.
Arrogant hypocrisy is no way to pass “knowledge” to anyone. If you spew disdain and you will receive disdain.
June 14, 2009 at 1:44 am |
What darkness?
What help?
What knowledge?
What opportunity?
Why don’t you sign up for some High School Science course and “deliver” yourself from your ignorance first, boy?
June 14, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
Blessed are the humble.
June 14, 2009 at 3:40 pm |
I was Nietszsche that announced “God Is Dead.” In addition he coined the iconic quote: That which does not destroy, makes you stronger.
“You’re braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.” Christopher Robin to Pooh
We all are born and we all die. We all suffer hardships. That is not belief just simply what is. This we can all say are certainties and commonalities that we share. There’s no belief tied into that unless one is going to say that they were not born or they will not die.
BTW Food high in anti-oxidants (coffee, grapes, avacodo,) are very good for combating free-radicals (which cause cancer)
I find it ironic that much of the Christian response doesn’t even go into that “God” will provide his creatures with a “way.” (Example: ” The Count of Monty Cristo” by Alexandre Dumas)
June 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm |
So…I do not think that we can all say that these are certainties. People only say they are because they do not see for themselves and just take the body to be what they are. Can you honestly say that you remember the moment you were born, that you were directly experiencing that body as your own when it was born? You were only told that you were born yet you have no direct recollection of it, so how can you state that these are certainties? So in the same token that yes, the notion of being born the body is a widely accepted BELIEF, but certainty, it is not.
You cannot possibly know what you are, to know is to distort reality, to put a label on something that goes beyond the. minds grasping. “Can a knife cut itself?” Who is the one observing the thought or who is the one that can actively observe the body?
Even if belief changes, You are still there, so you are not belief or concept. If the bodies limb were severed, it does not diminish who you are, you are still there. So who are you? have you really asked that question deeply?
August 6, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
First let me say my son has lung cancer he is 21 yrs old and never smoked a day in his life, we have about a week before the doctors tell us if he even has a chance,that being said,all the bible conversation can be squashed if all you guys will just take the time to read it slowly and carefully.
Its a simple question really where did we come from? or better yet where did anything come from? u can NOT have something ie.us this planet,our universe,just come into being,not SCIENTIFICALLY possible rite?rite!
So that leaves us with only one answer a CREATOR!
Now u dont have to like it,but the answer should be obvious to a 10yr old,funny tho the more education people get the dumber they become.
Now since he created it,its his,his rules,his laws etc…
NO ONE,let me stress,NO ONE,can claim to know what GOD thinks,its not possible,however he did give us a nice lil owners guide to work with,the king james bible,so…… read it like i said slowly and carefully,you will be glad u did!
September 9, 2009 at 8:25 am |
Sorry, I missed this comment when you first posted it.
It has been a month since you left this comment and I hope your son is doing well and the doctors brought you positive news.
I would also like to respond to your theory of a creator. I don’t pretend to know why we are here. Evolution, big bangs or some divine creation? Who knows? Even if an all-powerful creator exists, that doesn’t prove your version of god is accurate. Allah could also have created us or a completely unknown deity. Trying to prove your god created earth by using ancient fables written by primitive men is futile. It only proves men have wild imaginations.
I don’t believe we are more special than every other creature on earth. Only that we are mammals with posable thumbs and highly functioning brains. You point to God’s rules and laws, etc. But these laws have only been around for a few thousand years. Our earth has existed for billions of years. There are no guarantees in life and it seems unjust and random all of the time. Because life is just that … completely random and too often unjust. All we can do is live, learn and strive to find joy in every day we have.
I hope your son is doing well. Peace.
September 9, 2009 at 12:28 am |
TO: My Son has cancer
I am encouraged by your faith in God’s Word, but at the same time I am confused that this same faith would let the doctor’s determine if the young man has a chance.
I hope your son will receive a complete and perfect healing. I appreciate you for sharing.
November 7, 2009 at 6:57 pm |
This is all so interesting to me. God does give us free will to choose how we would like to live our lives. He also give us His word to direct us on how to live this life and if we ask we can receive the Holy Spirit to give us discernment. God is a gentleman and would never impose His will on anyone and honestly who would want to serve a god that did not allow you to make your own decisions.
People good, bad, saved, unsaved all get cancer because we live in a polluted broken world. Yes He allows all these horrible things to happen, but He allows it with restraints, it could be much worse if God gave Satan total control.
I would challenge you to read the bible cover to cover and if you still believe He does not exist, that He does not extend His mercy and Grace and that Jesus did not come to save the world well i say that is what free will is all about.
November 7, 2009 at 7:07 pm |
Been there done that and find those that claim the bible is a guide are full of it. It is only a guide for those afraid of facing life head on. If you have read the bible fully and still believe what you are saying, then I guess you are lost to reality and have only yourself for being that way.
November 7, 2009 at 10:45 pm |
The Bible is exactly why I no longer believe. I’ve read it many times and wasted way too much time studying it. We have free will to believe in a god that gives believers nothing more than a poorly written ancient book to base their faith? If we don’t believe, he threatens us with an eternity in hell. That isn’t free will. You can’t give a person the free will to choose and follow it up with a threat. Christianity is a fear based belief system that forces a person to be too afraid to question the many obvious flaws of the religion.
Imaginary deities invented by primitive men can’t grant me free will. I don’t believe because their is absolutely no rational reason to believe such flawed texts and theology. I find it sad that human beings spend their lives in fear of satan and in fear of a god that would burn them for eternity for not believing. Life’s too short to waste worshiping a malevolent and fictional god.