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	<title>Comments on: Faith in God? More like faith in ancient Hebrew men.</title>
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		<title>By: Janus Grayden</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16261</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Grayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wish you well and I hope you discover what you are looking for.&quot;

I&#039;m not looking for anything.  I&#039;m content with my life and the idea that there is no greater purpose in life.  The world and everything in it is what we make it and you don&#039;t need a deity to give you a reason to get up in the morning.  I love life because it&#039;s enjoyable to live.  I posit that the people who claim that God is all they have and, without Him, have nothing are closer to nihilism and meaninglessness than I am.  I&#039;m not one disillusionment short of total mental anguish.

More importantly, how would you feel if I wished you well and hoped that you would snap out of your mental instability and superstition?

An insult wrapped in pleasantries is still insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wish you well and I hope you discover what you are looking for.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking for anything.  I&#8217;m content with my life and the idea that there is no greater purpose in life.  The world and everything in it is what we make it and you don&#8217;t need a deity to give you a reason to get up in the morning.  I love life because it&#8217;s enjoyable to live.  I posit that the people who claim that God is all they have and, without Him, have nothing are closer to nihilism and meaninglessness than I am.  I&#8217;m not one disillusionment short of total mental anguish.</p>
<p>More importantly, how would you feel if I wished you well and hoped that you would snap out of your mental instability and superstition?</p>
<p>An insult wrapped in pleasantries is still insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Grayden</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16260</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Grayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believed this, as well.  I started seeing coincidences and seemingly insignificant things were signs from God.

It was when I took an objective look at my situation that I realized these were all signs and wonders because I &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; them to be.  It&#039;s a phenomena that isn&#039;t exclusive to religious people.  My dad is really into conspiracy theories and he sees bizarre connections and coincidences all the time.  That doesn&#039;t make him right about them, it just means that he wants them to be true.

When your view of the world is inexorably wrapped up in the supernatural, of course you&#039;re going to attribute things to supernatural causes.  If you didn&#039;t, you would become disillusioned with your point of view.  That&#039;s the very definition of bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believed this, as well.  I started seeing coincidences and seemingly insignificant things were signs from God.</p>
<p>It was when I took an objective look at my situation that I realized these were all signs and wonders because I <i>wanted</i> them to be.  It&#8217;s a phenomena that isn&#8217;t exclusive to religious people.  My dad is really into conspiracy theories and he sees bizarre connections and coincidences all the time.  That doesn&#8217;t make him right about them, it just means that he wants them to be true.</p>
<p>When your view of the world is inexorably wrapped up in the supernatural, of course you&#8217;re going to attribute things to supernatural causes.  If you didn&#8217;t, you would become disillusioned with your point of view.  That&#8217;s the very definition of bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...The funny thing is after I received the Holy Spirit...spiritual things started to happen in my life that I had never read in the bible...when I started to study the bible I found way too many coincidences for my experiences to be coincidence...God was operating in my life in many of the ways the Holy Bible said he would...God revealed himself to me then confirmed in the Holy Bible that indeed this was part of his nature...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;The funny thing is after I received the Holy Spirit&#8230;spiritual things started to happen in my life that I had never read in the bible&#8230;when I started to study the bible I found way too many coincidences for my experiences to be coincidence&#8230;God was operating in my life in many of the ways the Holy Bible said he would&#8230;God revealed himself to me then confirmed in the Holy Bible that indeed this was part of his nature&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16258</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and your experience along with my experience and millions of other people is why we know that Jesus Christ is lord...it has nothing to do with indoctrination or brainwashing but an authentic experience with the one true God...Once you have had that experience, once you have the holy spirit living on the inside of you...you will never be able in your heart to deny who God is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and your experience along with my experience and millions of other people is why we know that Jesus Christ is lord&#8230;it has nothing to do with indoctrination or brainwashing but an authentic experience with the one true God&#8230;Once you have had that experience, once you have the holy spirit living on the inside of you&#8230;you will never be able in your heart to deny who God is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Baconsbud</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16257</link>
		<dc:creator>Baconsbud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Janus it was a cheap shot, you should know Jesus said you should kill them not hate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Janus it was a cheap shot, you should know Jesus said you should kill them not hate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16256</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a disappointed at the cheap shot you take regarding &quot;hate their parents.&quot; Sure, there are some troubling things in the book, but purposely misquoting and misunderstanding something doesn&#039;t make one&#039;s argument look very credible.

The idea to which you&#039;re referring is likely Luke 14.26–33, which reads: &quot;If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple … For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? … So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.&quot;

Jesus, if he existed, knew the 10 commandments, which require that one honor their parents. Or do we make him both nonexistent AND stupid?

Football coaches what their players to give &quot;110%&quot; and my martial arts teachers wanted us to &quot;hold nothing back.&quot;

But then, maybe the idea of &quot;hyperbole&quot; isn&#039;t part of your content analysis toolbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a disappointed at the cheap shot you take regarding &#8220;hate their parents.&#8221; Sure, there are some troubling things in the book, but purposely misquoting and misunderstanding something doesn&#8217;t make one&#8217;s argument look very credible.</p>
<p>The idea to which you&#8217;re referring is likely Luke 14.26–33, which reads: &#8220;If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple … For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? … So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus, if he existed, knew the 10 commandments, which require that one honor their parents. Or do we make him both nonexistent AND stupid?</p>
<p>Football coaches what their players to give &#8220;110%&#8221; and my martial arts teachers wanted us to &#8220;hold nothing back.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then, maybe the idea of &#8220;hyperbole&#8221; isn&#8217;t part of your content analysis toolbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Grayden</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16255</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Grayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, it&#039;s not a great spiritual book, because the main character condones genocide, murder, and rape.  Even the supposedly great moral teacher, Jesus, tells people to leave their families and hate their parents.

There&#039;s nothing spectacular about the Bible, morally or spiritually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, it&#8217;s not a great spiritual book, because the main character condones genocide, murder, and rape.  Even the supposedly great moral teacher, Jesus, tells people to leave their families and hate their parents.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing spectacular about the Bible, morally or spiritually.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16254</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you DO have that kind of credibility! &quot;It&#039;s not a great spiritual book, because I say it&#039;s not!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you DO have that kind of credibility! &#8220;It&#8217;s not a great spiritual book, because I say it&#8217;s not!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16253</link>
		<dc:creator>LeoPardus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a fair deal about MS. I create educational materials to teach doctors, nurses, and pharmaceutical professionals about diseases and treatments. I&#039;ve made several slide sets, animations, e-learning courses, booklets, etc about MS. I was a biomed researcher for 20 years before I started the writing career.

And all of that is why I flat out do not believe you. MS relapses and remits, at least the RR type does. I can believe that you have undergone a remission with good recovery. But to document a real and complete healing would require a complete work up including MRI, physical exam, etc.

If you really do have MS (as opposed to CIS or some such), and if you really have had a recovery/remission, then time will tell. Of course there have always been cases of long-term (even apparently permanent) remissions. They are uncommon; less then 10% of RR cases. You may be such a case, and if you are, I&#039;m happy for you and your family.  And you are free to attribute this &quot;healing&quot; to an invisible, imaginary, magic fellow.

 That does leave you with an awfully capricious deity though. One who &quot;heals&quot; at random, based on no known reasons, and not reliably. And of course you get to face the complete lack of &quot;assurance&quot; that such a capricious, incomprehensible being may &quot;decide&quot; to let you have your &quot;thorn in the flesh&quot; back at any random time.

And of course you&#039;ll have to face other MS patients with your capricious deity idea and tell them how much he loves you, while they are in a wheelchair and getting worse.

Sorry, but your &quot;loving&quot; deity looks exactly like random chance. I can&#039;t see any reason to worship that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a fair deal about MS. I create educational materials to teach doctors, nurses, and pharmaceutical professionals about diseases and treatments. I&#8217;ve made several slide sets, animations, e-learning courses, booklets, etc about MS. I was a biomed researcher for 20 years before I started the writing career.</p>
<p>And all of that is why I flat out do not believe you. MS relapses and remits, at least the RR type does. I can believe that you have undergone a remission with good recovery. But to document a real and complete healing would require a complete work up including MRI, physical exam, etc.</p>
<p>If you really do have MS (as opposed to CIS or some such), and if you really have had a recovery/remission, then time will tell. Of course there have always been cases of long-term (even apparently permanent) remissions. They are uncommon; less then 10% of RR cases. You may be such a case, and if you are, I&#8217;m happy for you and your family.  And you are free to attribute this &#8220;healing&#8221; to an invisible, imaginary, magic fellow.</p>
<p> That does leave you with an awfully capricious deity though. One who &#8220;heals&#8221; at random, based on no known reasons, and not reliably. And of course you get to face the complete lack of &#8220;assurance&#8221; that such a capricious, incomprehensible being may &#8220;decide&#8221; to let you have your &#8220;thorn in the flesh&#8221; back at any random time.</p>
<p>And of course you&#8217;ll have to face other MS patients with your capricious deity idea and tell them how much he loves you, while they are in a wheelchair and getting worse.</p>
<p>Sorry, but your &#8220;loving&#8221; deity looks exactly like random chance. I can&#8217;t see any reason to worship that.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmygfat</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/07/31/faith-in-god-more-like-faith-in-ancient-hebrew-men/#comment-16252</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmygfat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that people might think praying in the tounges is gibberish, it sounds kind of silly sometimes, I&#039;ll admit, but I believe it one of the most important things I do life. So many times I don&#039;t know what to pray, but the Spirit intercedes through me with groanings and utterences I can&#039;t understand. I only pray this way by myself. I just thought I would share something God has shared with me to maybe help others understand how great God is to me. I wish you well and I hope you discover what you are looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that people might think praying in the tounges is gibberish, it sounds kind of silly sometimes, I&#8217;ll admit, but I believe it one of the most important things I do life. So many times I don&#8217;t know what to pray, but the Spirit intercedes through me with groanings and utterences I can&#8217;t understand. I only pray this way by myself. I just thought I would share something God has shared with me to maybe help others understand how great God is to me. I wish you well and I hope you discover what you are looking for.</p>
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