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	<title>Comments on: A bit of wisdom for “Ass-theists”: Evolution is very ”ridiclious”.</title>
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		<title>By: Bobbie Branske</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobbie Branske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 11:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey could I quote some of the material here in this blog if I provide a link back to your site?</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Cryter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Cryter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wrote Medieval period, I meant to write Dark Ages...  my bad.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Cryter</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/03/a-bit-of-wisdom-for-ass-theists-evolution-is-very-ridiclious/#comment-16882</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Cryter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost peed myself after reading that comment by Lizzie because I was laughing so hard. I know this is kinda random, but I have to get this off of my chest because all of my friends are christian and I never get to express my thoughts because it offends them... Theists never cease to amaze me with their lack of intelligence and acceptance when it comes to the fact that God does not exist. I just want to scream at them that God isn&#039;t real and that anyone who believes in God is an idiot! As for this Lizzie person, you are an idiot. Have you ever noticed that the Bible is notoriously similar to just about every other religious text, and I mean similar by the fact that all of the events in it are not possible. The Bible reminds me of Roman and Greek myths; they both contain events in history that they couldn&#039;t explain so they tied them to their religion. I mean, come on, religion was first created to explain natural occurences and religion has been evolving ever since. Whenever I try to explain this to my friends they just come up with a ridiculous comeback that doesn&#039;t make any since. Then I&#039;ll try to explain how other religions have the equivilant of the Bible and they believe that it is true and would say that the Bible is crazy, just as you think that their religious text is crazy. I give them so much prove and practical ideas and they ignore it like I&#039;m speaking backwards! Religion is a curtain that has blinded the world for far too long. For example, the Medieval Period was so terrible because all of society&#039;s effort was put into religion so nothing was accomplished. The Renaissance Period was so successful because religion was written off as one of the least important things to pay attention to...   Oh my gosh!  that felt soo good to get off my chest. Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoyed it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost peed myself after reading that comment by Lizzie because I was laughing so hard. I know this is kinda random, but I have to get this off of my chest because all of my friends are christian and I never get to express my thoughts because it offends them&#8230; Theists never cease to amaze me with their lack of intelligence and acceptance when it comes to the fact that God does not exist. I just want to scream at them that God isn&#8217;t real and that anyone who believes in God is an idiot! As for this Lizzie person, you are an idiot. Have you ever noticed that the Bible is notoriously similar to just about every other religious text, and I mean similar by the fact that all of the events in it are not possible. The Bible reminds me of Roman and Greek myths; they both contain events in history that they couldn&#8217;t explain so they tied them to their religion. I mean, come on, religion was first created to explain natural occurences and religion has been evolving ever since. Whenever I try to explain this to my friends they just come up with a ridiculous comeback that doesn&#8217;t make any since. Then I&#8217;ll try to explain how other religions have the equivilant of the Bible and they believe that it is true and would say that the Bible is crazy, just as you think that their religious text is crazy. I give them so much prove and practical ideas and they ignore it like I&#8217;m speaking backwards! Religion is a curtain that has blinded the world for far too long. For example, the Medieval Period was so terrible because all of society&#8217;s effort was put into religion so nothing was accomplished. The Renaissance Period was so successful because religion was written off as one of the least important things to pay attention to&#8230;   Oh my gosh!  that felt soo good to get off my chest. Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoyed it. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Jakab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Jakab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post reminds me of another gem. - Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later. Attributed to Laws of Computer Programming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post reminds me of another gem. &#8211; Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later. Attributed to Laws of Computer Programming</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Juniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Juniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, found your site by accident doing a search on Google but Ill definitely be coming back.  - Principles have no real force except when one is well-fed. - Mark Twain 1835 - 1910</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Mender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like business is still getting hit hard.  Is anybody seeing an upswing in their respective niches? Health reform seems like a mess. I generate long term care insurance leads and annuity leads for the insurance industry, but volume has been terrible in the last two months.  I am afraid the worst is yet to come, but maybe it is just my attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like business is still getting hit hard.  Is anybody seeing an upswing in their respective niches? Health reform seems like a mess. I generate long term care insurance leads and annuity leads for the insurance industry, but volume has been terrible in the last two months.  I am afraid the worst is yet to come, but maybe it is just my attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: arduinnae</title>
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		<dc:creator>arduinnae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich - or there isn&#039;t and this text is exactly what it looks to be, the compositions of Bronze Aged desert people who didn&#039;t know about evolution, or heliocentricity, or geology, or bacteria, or mental illness.

The fact that you are twisting yourself in knots trying to read the True Meaning (read: not embarrassingly inconsistent and out of date meaning) is perhaps a sign that there isn&#039;t a True Meaning. Maybe the text is exactly as it appears on the surface (minus a few literary flourishes, of course). Maybe it, along with the Quran, the Vedas, the Sutras, etc were all simply written by people putting their own ideas down with no divine inspiration.

If there&#039;s one thing I&#039;ve learned through my very painful deconversion process, it&#039;s that if a theory takes a lot of work, a lot of reading into, a lot of explanation, and a lot of revision/backtracking to understand, it&#039;s probably false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich &#8211; or there isn&#8217;t and this text is exactly what it looks to be, the compositions of Bronze Aged desert people who didn&#8217;t know about evolution, or heliocentricity, or geology, or bacteria, or mental illness.</p>
<p>The fact that you are twisting yourself in knots trying to read the True Meaning (read: not embarrassingly inconsistent and out of date meaning) is perhaps a sign that there isn&#8217;t a True Meaning. Maybe the text is exactly as it appears on the surface (minus a few literary flourishes, of course). Maybe it, along with the Quran, the Vedas, the Sutras, etc were all simply written by people putting their own ideas down with no divine inspiration.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve learned through my very painful deconversion process, it&#8217;s that if a theory takes a lot of work, a lot of reading into, a lot of explanation, and a lot of revision/backtracking to understand, it&#8217;s probably false.</p>
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		<title>By: arduinnae</title>
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		<dc:creator>arduinnae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider that some of the areas that copied scripture the most prolifically were also the areas where scribes were poorly trained, often illiterate, and made a lot of mistakes. The idea that &quot;numbers make truth&quot; is what tripped up the scholars who put together the King James. They knew full well that there multiple versions - often quite different, even in fundamental matters such as theology - of the various books of the NT floating around. So they determined that if they could find more copies of version B, that must be the correct version. What you end up with is a hopelessly inaccurate load of crap that is of absolutely no value whatsoever to anyone who is interested in what the original documents might have said.

Now, as to your assertion that we can find the original text easier when we have more data to work with - that&#039;s not strictly untrue (though I fail to see how it is relevant). However, that doesn&#039;t mean that there isn&#039;t still a great deal of debate in the matter. And even if we ended up with the absolute original version, that still wouldn&#039;t tell us what the &quot;true meaning of God&#039;s written Word&quot; is because if God guided the hands that wrote the NT, why are there so many fundamental theological inconsistencies between the books?

These differences are not just scribal errors. These are fundamental differences in the brand of Christianity practised in the various communities that wrote books later included in the Canon. If all these books are supposedly written with the guiding hand of God, the only conclusion one could draw (that maintains belief in the idea that there is a God and that he did author the Bible) is that God has a different theology in mind for each community. The logical end of this conclusion is that the NT is completely irrelevant because these communities are nothing like us and we would therefore need a modern revelation of our own - one for each modern community.

Or you can just do what Christians have done for two thousand years - don&#039;t bother trying to have it all make sense and just pick and choose which bits you feel are &quot;authentic,&quot; ignore the rest or dismiss it as &quot;metaphorical,&quot; and all the while proclaim that the Bible is the inherent word of God.

Now, I will tell you what I personally did when I read the NT for the first time and realized that the various books CANNOT be reconciled. My first step was to say that the NT was written entirely by men who simply felt God in their hearts and tried to capture that through their own unique lenses. The NT is therefore completely irrelevant except as a historical curiosity. Instead, I had to look inside myself and listen to what God was telling me.

So I listened, and I listened. Then I listened some more. Then I realized that there was no one talking except my own mind, my own consciousness, my own feelings, and my own rationality. If God is doesn&#039;t write and if God is mute, how do I know that he listens and acts? Well, I don&#039;t see any acts, so that leaves listening. If all God does is listen, of what use is he? What is the point of struggling to reconcile so many different beliefs around the world, putting myself through the great physical and mental pain I now recognize to have been cognitive dissonance, in the name of a mute and impotent so-called deity. So I dumped him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider that some of the areas that copied scripture the most prolifically were also the areas where scribes were poorly trained, often illiterate, and made a lot of mistakes. The idea that &#8220;numbers make truth&#8221; is what tripped up the scholars who put together the King James. They knew full well that there multiple versions &#8211; often quite different, even in fundamental matters such as theology &#8211; of the various books of the NT floating around. So they determined that if they could find more copies of version B, that must be the correct version. What you end up with is a hopelessly inaccurate load of crap that is of absolutely no value whatsoever to anyone who is interested in what the original documents might have said.</p>
<p>Now, as to your assertion that we can find the original text easier when we have more data to work with &#8211; that&#8217;s not strictly untrue (though I fail to see how it is relevant). However, that doesn&#8217;t mean that there isn&#8217;t still a great deal of debate in the matter. And even if we ended up with the absolute original version, that still wouldn&#8217;t tell us what the &#8220;true meaning of God&#8217;s written Word&#8221; is because if God guided the hands that wrote the NT, why are there so many fundamental theological inconsistencies between the books?</p>
<p>These differences are not just scribal errors. These are fundamental differences in the brand of Christianity practised in the various communities that wrote books later included in the Canon. If all these books are supposedly written with the guiding hand of God, the only conclusion one could draw (that maintains belief in the idea that there is a God and that he did author the Bible) is that God has a different theology in mind for each community. The logical end of this conclusion is that the NT is completely irrelevant because these communities are nothing like us and we would therefore need a modern revelation of our own &#8211; one for each modern community.</p>
<p>Or you can just do what Christians have done for two thousand years &#8211; don&#8217;t bother trying to have it all make sense and just pick and choose which bits you feel are &#8220;authentic,&#8221; ignore the rest or dismiss it as &#8220;metaphorical,&#8221; and all the while proclaim that the Bible is the inherent word of God.</p>
<p>Now, I will tell you what I personally did when I read the NT for the first time and realized that the various books CANNOT be reconciled. My first step was to say that the NT was written entirely by men who simply felt God in their hearts and tried to capture that through their own unique lenses. The NT is therefore completely irrelevant except as a historical curiosity. Instead, I had to look inside myself and listen to what God was telling me.</p>
<p>So I listened, and I listened. Then I listened some more. Then I realized that there was no one talking except my own mind, my own consciousness, my own feelings, and my own rationality. If God is doesn&#8217;t write and if God is mute, how do I know that he listens and acts? Well, I don&#8217;t see any acts, so that leaves listening. If all God does is listen, of what use is he? What is the point of struggling to reconcile so many different beliefs around the world, putting myself through the great physical and mental pain I now recognize to have been cognitive dissonance, in the name of a mute and impotent so-called deity. So I dumped him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s actually an interesting point.

Here&#039;s an example:
Say I hand-write a letter and send it to my friend.  At the same time I write myself a copy of the letter for my records.  My letter arrives at my friend&#039;s house, but my own copy is destroyed when I spill some ink on it.

To see what I wrote, I can call my friend and have him or her tell me what I wrote.  If he or she loses that copy of the letter, however, it&#039;s gone.

Say I hand-write the same letter and send it to my friend, but also make and send out nine other copies to nine other friends.  If my letter is destroyed, I now have a total of ten people I can contact to restructure my original letter.

Point #1:  The more manuscripts (copies) you have of my letter, the more likely you will be able to reconstruct the original (even if there is no one perfect copy remaining).

Point #2:  Had you considered that the early (first century) Christian&#039;s might have done something similar with the early epistles?

Point #3:  There are 5500+ Greek manuscripts of the NT available, 10000+ of the Latin NT available, PLUS all the other languages in which the NT was translated.  On top of that(!), have you ever quoted a book or movie in a note to a friend?  That happened too in the old days!

Point #4:  I&#039;ll be the first to say that their are apparent contradictions in the Bible that a Bible student will need to work through (which is why BE&#039;s site is so great!) to get the true meaning of God&#039;s written Word in some cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s actually an interesting point.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example:<br />
Say I hand-write a letter and send it to my friend.  At the same time I write myself a copy of the letter for my records.  My letter arrives at my friend&#8217;s house, but my own copy is destroyed when I spill some ink on it.</p>
<p>To see what I wrote, I can call my friend and have him or her tell me what I wrote.  If he or she loses that copy of the letter, however, it&#8217;s gone.</p>
<p>Say I hand-write the same letter and send it to my friend, but also make and send out nine other copies to nine other friends.  If my letter is destroyed, I now have a total of ten people I can contact to restructure my original letter.</p>
<p>Point #1:  The more manuscripts (copies) you have of my letter, the more likely you will be able to reconstruct the original (even if there is no one perfect copy remaining).</p>
<p>Point #2:  Had you considered that the early (first century) Christian&#8217;s might have done something similar with the early epistles?</p>
<p>Point #3:  There are 5500+ Greek manuscripts of the NT available, 10000+ of the Latin NT available, PLUS all the other languages in which the NT was translated.  On top of that(!), have you ever quoted a book or movie in a note to a friend?  That happened too in the old days!</p>
<p>Point #4:  I&#8217;ll be the first to say that their are apparent contradictions in the Bible that a Bible student will need to work through (which is why BE&#8217;s site is so great!) to get the true meaning of God&#8217;s written Word in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: nazani14</title>
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		<dc:creator>nazani14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; the Bible that was closest to Jesus got burned by the Catholics. &quot;  I&#039;m not so sure about that.  By the time the Nicean council swept together their scraps of scripture, I&#039;m sure some things had already been lost to war, simple dying out of congregations, and inability to translate various languages.  Even if we had everything written by or about Jesus within 10 years of his death, there would still be arguments about what was closest to his teachings.

How you define the beginning of Catholicism?
A series of edicts on heresy, issues several hundred years after the death of Jesus, has been cited as proof that Catholics killed off all opposing sects.  I&#039;m not buying it.  Sure, there were episodes of persecution, but there were outbreaks of heresy based on gnosticism  all through the middle ages, and we still have Copts, Kurds, and Nestorians today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; the Bible that was closest to Jesus got burned by the Catholics. &#8221;  I&#8217;m not so sure about that.  By the time the Nicean council swept together their scraps of scripture, I&#8217;m sure some things had already been lost to war, simple dying out of congregations, and inability to translate various languages.  Even if we had everything written by or about Jesus within 10 years of his death, there would still be arguments about what was closest to his teachings.</p>
<p>How you define the beginning of Catholicism?<br />
A series of edicts on heresy, issues several hundred years after the death of Jesus, has been cited as proof that Catholics killed off all opposing sects.  I&#8217;m not buying it.  Sure, there were episodes of persecution, but there were outbreaks of heresy based on gnosticism  all through the middle ages, and we still have Copts, Kurds, and Nestorians today.</p>
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