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	<title>Comments on: God&#8217;s protection from swine flu through a holy water dispenser. It&#8217;s a miracle!</title>
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	<description>Happy are those who ask questions.</description>
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		<title>By: tiny image host</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/14/gods-protection-from-swine-flu-with-a-holy-water-dispenser-its-a-miracle/#comment-9963</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any updates coming??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any updates coming??</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/14/gods-protection-from-swine-flu-with-a-holy-water-dispenser-its-a-miracle/#comment-9245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of like those single-serving sacraments idea -- I wish I&#039;d have thought of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of like those single-serving sacraments idea &#8212; I wish I&#8217;d have thought of that!</p>
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		<title>By: elbogz</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/14/gods-protection-from-swine-flu-with-a-holy-water-dispenser-its-a-miracle/#comment-9221</link>
		<dc:creator>elbogz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy tinkle Batman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy tinkle Batman.</p>
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		<title>By: nazani14</title>
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		<dc:creator>nazani14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems pretty pointless, as people either have been or will be sitting shoulder to shoulder with others for an hour.  And dang, it&#039;s ugly!  

What I recall from my days attending church with relatives is that people only think holy water protects them from spiritual ills, but mostly they don&#039;t think about it at all.  It&#039;s almost like a low-level communion.  Same goes for lighting votive candles in front of a cross or image.   It&#039;s a purely symbolic &quot;sacrifice,&quot; and nobody I ever knew thought there was any kind of mojo in the image, or that any spiritual being appreciated the candles.  It&#039;s just sort of fun and gets people in that mystical mood.  Just one more thing religious people do on auto-pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems pretty pointless, as people either have been or will be sitting shoulder to shoulder with others for an hour.  And dang, it&#8217;s ugly!  </p>
<p>What I recall from my days attending church with relatives is that people only think holy water protects them from spiritual ills, but mostly they don&#8217;t think about it at all.  It&#8217;s almost like a low-level communion.  Same goes for lighting votive candles in front of a cross or image.   It&#8217;s a purely symbolic &#8220;sacrifice,&#8221; and nobody I ever knew thought there was any kind of mojo in the image, or that any spiritual being appreciated the candles.  It&#8217;s just sort of fun and gets people in that mystical mood.  Just one more thing religious people do on auto-pilot.</p>
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		<title>By: Verbifex</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/14/gods-protection-from-swine-flu-with-a-holy-water-dispenser-its-a-miracle/#comment-9213</link>
		<dc:creator>Verbifex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy water is supposed to wash away sin and protect from evil.

So first one needs to determine whether, theologically, disease is evil (harm actively intended by malevolent beings) or just an ordinary hazard of living. Was holy water ever intended to be effective against &quot;plain old biology&quot;?

Then there is the question of how &quot;imperviousness to common ailments&quot; would work. Would holy water actively repel pathogens, forcing them to stay on the original victim or propelling them through the air to a nearby wall or floor or some other out-of-harm&#039;s-way surface (taking care, of course, that they not be inhaled by anyone); and what would be a safe place, anyway? Or would it cover pathogens in some kind of protective seal and sequester them at the bottom of the font for later removal during routine cleaning? Or would it actively kill biological pathogens (bacteria, viruses, prions, parasite eggs, etc.) and actively disassemble non-living pathogens (poisons)?

In the latter case, holy water would have some powerful magic since it would be, effectively, a perfect universal antiseptic.

It is not clear what believers think holy water protects them from, but their behavior suggests that they do not expect it to protect against the routine physical threats of the real world. Being &quot;supernatural in substance&quot;, apparently it operates only against supernatural dangers.

Render unto God that which is God&#039;s and render unto Pasteur and Lister that which belongs to Medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy water is supposed to wash away sin and protect from evil.</p>
<p>So first one needs to determine whether, theologically, disease is evil (harm actively intended by malevolent beings) or just an ordinary hazard of living. Was holy water ever intended to be effective against &#8220;plain old biology&#8221;?</p>
<p>Then there is the question of how &#8220;imperviousness to common ailments&#8221; would work. Would holy water actively repel pathogens, forcing them to stay on the original victim or propelling them through the air to a nearby wall or floor or some other out-of-harm&#8217;s-way surface (taking care, of course, that they not be inhaled by anyone); and what would be a safe place, anyway? Or would it cover pathogens in some kind of protective seal and sequester them at the bottom of the font for later removal during routine cleaning? Or would it actively kill biological pathogens (bacteria, viruses, prions, parasite eggs, etc.) and actively disassemble non-living pathogens (poisons)?</p>
<p>In the latter case, holy water would have some powerful magic since it would be, effectively, a perfect universal antiseptic.</p>
<p>It is not clear what believers think holy water protects them from, but their behavior suggests that they do not expect it to protect against the routine physical threats of the real world. Being &#8220;supernatural in substance&#8221;, apparently it operates only against supernatural dangers.</p>
<p>Render unto God that which is God&#8217;s and render unto Pasteur and Lister that which belongs to Medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus Grayden</title>
		<link>http://thebeattitude.com/2009/11/14/gods-protection-from-swine-flu-with-a-holy-water-dispenser-its-a-miracle/#comment-9207</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus Grayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the other half is how could something that is supposedly holy be so easily corrupted in the first place?

It&#039;s not like there&#039;s any misuse going on.  This water is literally becoming something toxic simply by virtue of someone using it in the manner for which it was ordained.  There&#039;s nothing sinister at work here, just plain old biology.

Therefore, if this is supernatural in substance, shouldn&#039;t it have some sort of imperviousness to common ailments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the other half is how could something that is supposedly holy be so easily corrupted in the first place?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s any misuse going on.  This water is literally becoming something toxic simply by virtue of someone using it in the manner for which it was ordained.  There&#8217;s nothing sinister at work here, just plain old biology.</p>
<p>Therefore, if this is supernatural in substance, shouldn&#8217;t it have some sort of imperviousness to common ailments?</p>
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		<title>By: Verbifex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verbifex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One picky point: the virus, if present, probably will &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; have been blessed by the priest. The water no doubt will have been clean initially, when the blessing took place (before it has even been put into the font), and is part of the general supply of holy water that they use in the ceremonies. If a virus were transmitted, it would have moved off one parishioner&#039;s hand when dipped in the font and then later on to another parishioner.

This is a little like the instruction on the mayonnaise label: Refrigerate after opening. Once the customer has stuck his or her grubby fingers in it, the manufacturer is not going to vouch for its continued purity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One picky point: the virus, if present, probably will <em>not</em> have been blessed by the priest. The water no doubt will have been clean initially, when the blessing took place (before it has even been put into the font), and is part of the general supply of holy water that they use in the ceremonies. If a virus were transmitted, it would have moved off one parishioner&#8217;s hand when dipped in the font and then later on to another parishioner.</p>
<p>This is a little like the instruction on the mayonnaise label: Refrigerate after opening. Once the customer has stuck his or her grubby fingers in it, the manufacturer is not going to vouch for its continued purity.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidel753</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infidel753</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not asking about the eucharist/communion host here, different subject there&lt;/i&gt;.

And one which has &lt;a href=&quot;http://infidel753.blogspot.com/2008/05/holy-shit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some interesting implications of its own&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not asking about the eucharist/communion host here, different subject there</i>.</p>
<p>And one which has <a href="http://infidel753.blogspot.com/2008/05/holy-shit.html" rel="nofollow">some interesting implications of its own</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidel753</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infidel753</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By the way, someone really should have suggested that the designer make the dispenser look a little less like a urinal&lt;/i&gt;.

Considering its actual function, that resemblance could lead to some entertaining, if disgusting, mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>By the way, someone really should have suggested that the designer make the dispenser look a little less like a urinal</i>.</p>
<p>Considering its actual function, that resemblance could lead to some entertaining, if disgusting, mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: baconsbud</title>
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		<dc:creator>baconsbud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum I have never really thought about this but I would like hearing what some of the answers are to these questions. 
I think asking why would they need such a dispenser to protect themselves isn&#039;t the kind of question we need to be asking. I think we need to ask something more on the line of why isn&#039;t the church sending this types of devices to all the many places without good water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum I have never really thought about this but I would like hearing what some of the answers are to these questions.<br />
I think asking why would they need such a dispenser to protect themselves isn&#8217;t the kind of question we need to be asking. I think we need to ask something more on the line of why isn&#8217;t the church sending this types of devices to all the many places without good water.</p>
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